Who needs beat first?

[noVus]

The parents for trying to reason with the child? Or the kid?

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I cried myself silly listening to this . . .

[jimli]

I am seriously beginning to consider that there should be some sort of training and licensing one has to get before being allowed to have children.

Of course that opens up a different can of worms.

It just amazes me that there are so many people who want children and yet don't want to put the time and effort into it that are needed.

Many historians say it was the breakdown of the family unit that led to the moral decadence of the Romans and the eventual fall of the empire. The United States as a whole (heck, most of the world too because they want to emulate the American lifestyle) is well on its way down that same path.

[palenen]

When I did computer support for public schools in my old town, I often thought they were using computers to much. Instead of wrinting, they typed. Instead of learning long division or times tables on paper, they used calculators. Just my old school opinion I guess. Even though how much a great tool it can be, The Internet is not a nice place. Especially for youngins in just my opinion. I think some let their kids get on computers just so they can keep them safe and at home thus things like this happens. Myself, You couldn't keep me in-doors but it was the 70's and some of the early 80's.

I think it has alot to do with the double income family where there is not alot of attention. The strive for that big income and money. But honestly, I have no good opinion for I am not a father and broke.

[noVus]

I agree. We've often had such discussions in Teamspeak (BTW, mornings in TS are getting lonely. Where'd ya go Duradin?) I am in the same situation in that I am not yet a father. But I've had to be the 'father figure' to my niece, and I'm smart enough to know what works with children, and what doesn't. Each child is an individual, and has to be treated as who they are as an individual.

When my niece was 3 or 4? One thought that she might get spanked was enough for her. Just the thought that she had displeased me? She'd cry for 15 minutes; her world destroyed. But my GOD what a mind. Heck, I think I might have given her a spanking, once, and that was a half-hearted one. She had backed me into a corner. But she didn't need them on a regular basis. Other kids need a little more 'firm' hand.

Regardless, there are some principles that are timeless, and apply to every child. The birthright for every child is a) a mommy and daddy and b) the opportunity to go to work. Their work. And a childs work - is play. Play where their imagination can grow.

And god knows that isn't done sitting in front in front of a computer screen playing World of Warcraft with god knows who.

[jimli]

I am right there with you Palenen. As a computer support geek...I too see too much computer this and computer that going on. It is a great tool, but it is being used as a crutch for too many things. People are no longer taught to think, they are taught what to think. It's a shame.

There are so many things that can no longer be done because people don't want to take the time to learn them or have any pride in it.

I see all those broken down houses in Detroit from the 20s, 30s, and 40s, and think what a waste. You can't even buy craftsmanship like that anymore. Nobody knows how to do it, because it's a job, not a source of pride in one's work now. How many other skills are like this now. Even simple things...I have no idea how to actually compute a square root. Never had to do it...just use a calculator. Sure, it's easier and faster, but some thing is lost because of that. I can't pass it on either, I don't know it. That same pattern is happening to far too many things now-a-days. The really sad part is...not necessarily the loss...but that nobody cares that it is gone.